Wheel of Time showrunner explains changes, Game of Thrones comparisons

Amazon’s The Wheel of TimeIn every sense, series are adaptations. What showrunner Rafe Judkins has clearly recognized, from the outset, is that there’s no way to bring a carbon copy of fantasy author Robert Jordan’s expansive world to screen, particularly in just eight episodes. Judkins said that the show was “great”. CanIt is important to stay true and authentic to the spirit of this series. The Wheel of TimeThis is a legacy that will last forever.

This is the precursor to The Wheel of Time’s Nov. 19 premiere on Prime Video, Polygon discussed the series with Judkins over Zoom, where he addressed something that’s been a common refrain during the press tour: With those other huge fantasy series — Lord of the RingsAnd Game of Thrones — in the works, comparisons seem inevitable. What did he make of the HBO-sized giant dragon sitting in his room?

“Wheel of TimeThe literary world is a kind of pillar between Lord of the RingsAnd Game of Thrones,” Judkins said with the confidence of someone who gets the canon. “But [the show is]Coming out after each of them. We must be aware of this, I believe. You can do things that are not in your control. Wheel of TimeThis was the result Game of Thrones did their riff on, and it’ll feel like we’re being repetitive when it was actually in Wheel of Time first.”

Judkins, with all of this in mind is thrilled for audiences to find the series. He knows the legacy of Wheel of Time doesn’t begin or end with his show. “A lot of people are picking up a fantasy series today […] it’s not like if you didn’t read it in the ’90s, you’ll never read it. Or if you didn’t start Game of Thrones at the beginning that you’re not going to pick it up. Some people pick up Lord of the Rings today and reading it,” Judkins says of his approach to adapting a book with an ever-expanding fan base. “I try to be really true to what the Wheel of Time books are, and what makes them great.”

Many longtime supporters of Wheel of TimeWhile some might find it frustrating that there is a constant comparison, this comparison serves as a close match and current TV fantasy champion. Throneshas taught mass audiences what to expect from a fantasy TV series. But Wheel of Time has always been a much more innocent series —there’s a sweetness and naïveté to the characters that Jordan leaned into. “There’s way more nudity in WitcherOr Game of Thrones, but that’s not really true to The Wheel of Time series, and we don’t need it to tell the stories that we have with the characters that we have. It’s an adult world. So, you still see stuff sometimes, but we’re never really super graphic with that kind of stuff.”

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Even though the authors were committed to keeping the stories’ innocence, they made the conscious decision to age their characters. This gave them more adult experiences like Perrin Aybara getting a wife.

“In the books they’re all around 17 or 18, and we really felt that it was important to make them feel more like they were 20-21 — and to do that and have it feel authentic we also had to have those characters have a further emotional life that they’ve been leading,” Judkins says. “We felt like it was important to try to find a way to put some of these more adult concepts and relationships into their lives. So when the show starts it doesn’t feel like Moiraine [Sedai, played by Rosamund Pike] walking into the Two Rivers is the first day of everyone’s life. It should feel, hopefully, like they’ve all led complex, emotional lives and now they’re being swept off on this whole journey together.”

The shift of focus to Pike’s character is also a departure from the books. Jordan, at that time, was one of few mainstream male writers to place so much emphasis on women in his epic fantasy. But what was forward thinking 30 years ago now reads as a frustrating commitment to the binary, and Judkins “always” kept discussion going in the writer’s room about how to tackle the books’ philosophy where men act one way and can access one part of the magic and women another. Judkins says he understands that Jordan’s binary-centric motifs were rooted in an attempt to focus on how important balance is to his universe. It is now up to the series how they can take that idea and make it theirs.

“This is a world of balance and the world of yin and yang and the strength you always have to have. In the first episodes, you already see some of the stuff we’ve done with gender,” Judkins says, with an eye towards growth. “As the show continues on, too, we’re always trying to keep that conversation alive and make sure that we’re still doing the thing that he was trying to do in the ‘90s but doing it today.”

Judkins is also affected by these changes. He’s also a fan. Judkins read the books at a formative age and he’s discussed how he and his mother used the books as a way to connect with each other, he as a young gay kid in Utah and she as a matriarch in a Mormon family. The Wheel of TimeThis gave them the ability to build empathy and connect with characters living in different worlds. With this in mind, he believes a special responsibility to his fans.

“I feel a special burden laying me down, crushing me, of just wanting to deliver for this thing that I love, and my mom loves, and so many of the women in my family love. I just want so much for the show to deliver for the people who really love it the thing that they love, while at the same time truly creating something that can translate to television,” Judkins says. “It’s built as a book series, I have to build this as a TV show. I hope that the changes that I’ve made and the changes we’ve had to make to do that still give the heart of it that people can fall in love with.”

These are the three first episodes The Wheel of Time Amazon Prime Video premieres Nov. 19